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Jeydra · May 10, 2011, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Thought it might be interesting to see how people tier heroes, based on Sirlin's tier criteria.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirlin

0) God tier (no character should be in this tier, if they are, you are forced to play them to be competitive)
1) Top tier (don't be afraid to put your favorite characters here. Being top tier does not necessarily mean any nerfs are needed)
2) Middle tier (pretty good, not quite as good as top)
3) Bottom tier (I can still win with them, but it's hard)
4) Garbage tier (no one should be in this. Not reasonable to play this character at all.)

In this case we have:

0) God tier - heroes of this profession are in your party all or almost all the time.
1) Top tier
2) Middle tier
3) Bottom tier - these professions are still usable, but they're hard to use
4) Garbage tier - no reason to use these professions at all.

These tiers are for heroes, NOT players (with players for example Assassins immediately shoot to God tier). I'll start. My tiering is (naturally) heavily biased towards a player caster character, especially Elementalist primary.

God tier: Ritualists
Top tier: Mesmers, Elementalists
Middle tier: Necros, Monks
Bottom tier: Dervishes, Paragons, Rangers
Garbage tier: Warriors, Assassins

Necro MM deserves top tier more than Elementalists, but you can only have one of them in your team so ...

LexTalionis · May 10, 2011, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Primary Mesmer represent -

God Tier: Mesmers (I -can't- function without disrupting enemy ele/mesmers, I'm squishy.) and my Wastrel's offense is useless without chaining Mistrusts/Guilts/Complicates/Cries.
Top Tier: Ritualists (any kind), Necromancers, Smiting or UA Monks.
Middle Tier: ER or Earth Elementalists, AoD Dervishes, Rangers.
Low Tier: Normal Elementalists, Dervishes, Normal Monks, Paragons.
Crap Tier: Warriors, Assassins (Critical Strikes e-management, Deadly Arts. 30-45 second recast shadowsteps even in PvE. I could go on for quite a bit. Ugghhhhhhhhh, but Anton gets +1 tier for only sexy male hero without serious personality issues.)

Edit: Forgot Paragons existed (I blame Anet)

ele kid · May 10, 2011, 12:46 PM // 12:46

personally I do not think warriors are garbage, every balanced team would rely on a tank, which basically fits the warriors purpose. Also melee does incredibly amounts of damage and warriors use kd's too.

obviously balanced teams are sooo 2009 -.~

Maya Cerestiez · May 10, 2011, 12:47 PM // 12:47

God tier: Ritualists, Necros
Top tier: Mesmers
Middle tier: Elementalists (ER only)
Bottom tier: Paragons, Monks
Garbage tier: Warriors, Assassins, Dervish, Ranger, Elementalists (non-ER)

LexTalionis · May 10, 2011, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by ele kid

personally I do not think warriors are garbage, every balanced team would rely on a tank, which basically fits the warriors purpose. Also melee does incredibly amounts of damage and warriors use kd's too.

obviously balanced teams are sooo 2009 -.~

He's talking about heroes and hero AI. Have you -tried- using Koss recently?

Sankt Hallvard · May 10, 2011, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeydra

Necro MM deserves top tier more than Elementalists, but you can only have one of them in your team so ...

How come you can have multiple elementalists but only one mm?

Dzjudz · May 10, 2011, 01:09 PM // 13:09

God tier: Ritualist, Mesmer
Top tier: Necromancer
Middle tier: Monk, Paragon, Elementalist
Bottom tier: Dervish, Ranger
Garbage tier: Warrior, Assassin

Armor ignoring damage is good, melee AI is bad.

_Aphotic_ · May 10, 2011, 01:10 PM // 13:10

From a Paragon Primary:
God Tier- Paragon (support + damage)
High Tier- Monk, Mesmer (more support)
Middle Tier- Necro, Elementalist, Ritualists (damage)
Bottom Tier- Warriors, Dervishes (tank/damage)
Garbage Tier- Assassin (I might run Anton just because I read somewhere that Anton is short for a normal-sized human >.>), Ranger

EFGJack · May 10, 2011, 01:12 PM // 13:12

I usually run a build with 2 ROJ melee support monks, one necro melee support hero, an ST, WOH, and 2 mesmers - which can be changed for air elementalists if required. Thing is, not one of these heroes is god-tier in my eyes as they all pull equal weight. but if I had to have one in god tier I'd say it's the defensive ST ritualist because of the absurd damage prevention he provides in elite areas. Obviously he is far less valuable in the common areas. I know you are asking people to list heroes by profession, but I'll post a list with heroes by role as their value is dictated by role (obviously) and wether it's End-game or common areas.

Domination Mesmers I value because of the dual purpose they serve. Hex Removal and massive Armor-ignoring AOE on a short cooldown in 1 skill. AOE interrupt and good Armor-ignoring AOE in 1 skill, and so on. For this reason I prefer a Mesmer over an Elementalist. As a Melee user I rank necromancer higher than an Elementalist, too. Skills such as Mark of Pain and Dark Fury are enough to warrant a party slot for a necromancer. The reason I do not have many heroes in top tier is because there's no competition due to half of the heroes being total garbage for me.

Elite zones
God Tier: Defensive Soul Twisting Ritualist
Top: Panic domi (DoA HM only)
Middle: Domi/Illu mesmer, Melee Support Necro, ROJ monk, Invoker Elementalist, SOS Ritualist.
Bottom: WOH monk (he is good, but not as valuable as the damage classes)
Garbage: Assassin, Dervish, Paragon, Ranger, Warrior

Normal zones
God Tier: N/A
Top: Domi Mesmer, Mark Of Pain Melee Support Necro (this hero packs Channeling Magic)
Middle: ROJ monks (due to long cooldowns and backlining with SoA/DH&HD isn't as valuable), Soul Twister
Bottom: I'm inclined to list a SOS ritualist at bottom simply becuse in the normal vanquishes or missions the spirits often won't get many attacks off before it's time to move on. And since the necro already has AR and Splinter this hero is redundant. WOH healer.
Garbage: Assassin, Dervish, Paragon, Ranger, Warrior

These lists are from my perspective

Bellatrixa · May 10, 2011, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Personally speaking I'm more like this:

God tier: Necromancers
Top tier: Mesmers, Paragons (I do something with mine which means I'll never let one out of the party now)
Middle tier: Ritualists, Monks
Bottom tier: Dervishes, Elementalists
Garbage tier: Warriors, Assassins, Rangers

I'm not someone who generally uses heroes in elite areas mind you, I just have my preferences for general HM PvE and certainly when I'm taking hoomans in my party, I don't have the same rankings of classes.

Also with the 1 MM comment, I've run JB and AotL side by side before as well as AotL along Flesh Golem+Arcane Mimicry. I wouldn't say you can only have 1 MM in a party full stop o_o Depends on the areas and stuff but I know you're more than experienced and knowledgeable enough to know that, hence why the single MM in a party comment made me o_O somewhat.

Essence Snow · May 10, 2011, 01:55 PM // 13:55

0)Rit & Mesmers
1)Other rit (if not using 3 mesmers) & fill in the blank necros
2) None
3) Monks, ER Ele
4) War, Derv, Ranger, Sin, Para (can secondarey all usefull stuff on rit, mes, nec, or youself) and other types of eles.

Tbh I haven't messed with some of the ranged derv stuff and propbably won't. If I could I would use more mesmers vs necros.....not gonna pay for overpriced merch option though.

Gabs88 · May 10, 2011, 01:57 PM // 13:57

0) God tier - SoS Ritualist \ Mesmer
1) Top tier - Any other ritualist \ Necromancer
2) Middle tier Elementalist \ Monk
3) Bottom tier Paragon \ Dervish
4) Garbage tier - Assassin \ Warrior \ Ranger

That said, the reason ritualists rank so high for my sake has as much to do with restoration magic being reliant on spirits as anything else. If it was summoned creatures (aka minions could substitute for spirits) it would be a lot more interesting.

HigherMinion · May 10, 2011, 02:01 PM // 14:01

God tier: Ritualist, Mesmer
Top tier:
Middle tier: Necromancer
Bottom tier:
Garbage tier: Warrior, Assassin,Monk, Paragon, Elementalist,Dervish, Ranger.

ele kid · May 10, 2011, 02:13 PM // 14:13

mhm

god. mesmer
top. necro & ER prot &rit
mid. dervish % paragon &monk
bottom. war & damage ele
garbage. sin & ranger

aspi · May 10, 2011, 02:27 PM // 14:27

god. necro & mesmer
top. rit
mid. dervish % paragon &monk
bottom. war & damage ele & ranger
garbage. sin

Necro are god for me because they have SR and can almost do anything and mesmer because their reflexes are godlike.

cheape arie · May 10, 2011, 02:28 PM // 14:28

I gues'I'm the only one who likes to use dervish heroes alot

God tier: Necromancers (but no discord! )
Top tier: Mesmers, Paragons
Middle tier: Ritualists, Monks, dervish
Bottom tier: Ranger , Elementalists
Garbage tier: Warriors, Assassins

Mouse at Large · May 10, 2011, 02:52 PM // 14:52

God tier: Ritualists
Top tier: Mesmers, Necros
Middle tier: Elementalists, (smite/hybrid) Monks
Bottom tier: Paragons, Rangers
Garbage tier: Warriors, Assassins, Dervishes

hunter · May 10, 2011, 02:59 PM // 14:59

God: Rit / Mes
Top: necro
Middle: ER ele Smite monk
Bottom: Para
Garbage: everything else including non ER eles

Lets face it, mes/rit stacking offers superior kill speed, protection, disruption and mitigation on top of armor ignoring dmg.
Necro is at the top tier because frankly, the rest is crap (excluding ER ele)
ER ele is next to necro only because necro can be taken in more setups and the protection ER ele offers can be bypassed with a ST rit combined with MM/prot or curse/prot necro

Carboplatin · May 10, 2011, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzjudz

God tier: Ritualist, Mesmer
Top tier: Necromancer
Middle tier: Monk, Paragon, Elementalist
Bottom tier: Dervish, Ranger
Garbage tier: Warrior, Assassin

Armor ignoring damage is good, melee AI is bad.

what i would have picked.

AnbuHinataHyuga · May 10, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23

From a melee player's point of view:

God tier: domination mesmer
Top tier: ritualist, smite support monk, curses necromancer
Middle tier: other necromancers, other mesmers, other monks, earth & ER prot (when ER is microed) elementalists
Bottom tier: Orders dervish, other elementalists
Garbage tier: assassin, warrior, ranger, paragon, other kinds of dervish

Reason for not putting ritualists in god tier is that while splinter weapon and A-rage might be very powerful for melee players, the non-mobile nature of spirits is a big hindrance, not to mention the recharge (excluding soul twisting)
Also, when fights last long enough for heroes to be able to set up all spirits and do significant damage with them, you're doing something wrong.